1) We need to clarify that we are not affiliated with EG or Isis WPG, nor
have we any ownership or financial intertest in the 'mine'. Nor have we had
anything at all to do with any of the names being used to market it, or any
representation of the 'mine' whatsoever. We have had contact with the EG and
the Isis WPG people and have found them to all have good intentions. We do
not propose to determine whether or not they have been aligned to their
intentions. We also know Nellie Thompson, the woman who owns the land the
powders are taken from. We did not know any of these people until we were
approached by someone who was involved in it all. We did not go looking for
the connections, nor were we interested in doing so. We had been given some
of the natural stuff by a friend who had been bugging us for nearly a year
about Hudson's Orme. When we had the opportunity to directly experience the
vibration of the natural stuff, without even taking it I might add, that is
when we decided to get some info from Thoth. Basically the connections were
dropped in our laps so to speak, through some rather unusual (even for us)
turns of events. It is true we make the naturally occurring powders (so
stated only to delineate the product from Orme without favoring either of
the tradenames EG or Isis WPG) available to those who happen our way, but we
do not sell very much of it, and do not advertise it etc., in other words it
does not comprise much of our financial support. We have chosen to call it
simply Prima Matra, hoping that this being an ancient alchemical term, it
will not be trademarkable or such so that we can continue to use it without
appearing to favor anyone's product. We also use this term to describe other
things which spiritually fall under this category of substance, that is
according to our source Thoth. We feel our position in the whole thing has
to do with providing the spiritual and esoteric information we are receiving
about it to those who are interested in it, not in selling it on any
commercial scale or such. We are a nonprofit organization and as such there
are governmental regulations on how much of our revenue can come from sales
vs donations anyway.
2) Our purpose in presenting the position we did, was not to support
anything that is lacking in integrity whatsoever, nor to take a position as
to what is or isn't in integrity, but to present a movement of consciousness
available to those who are able to perceive it. This movement of
consciousness would take the researcher to a new level of understanding the
basic principles involved in the SPIRITUAL aspects of what both the
naturally occuring powders and the Orme represent, thereby allowing that to
be integrated with the science to whatever degree is possible.
3) We totally agree that science is intended to be unlimited, but can
clearly see that the way it has been conducted for the most part does not
tap that unlimited potential as well as it might.
4) We whole heartedly agree that the truth must be found within, and that
there are many paths to that truth.
5) When we spoke of our difficulty in working with the "need to prove"
perspective we were not referring to our need to prove anything with our
channeled material, but rather our difficulty in knowing how best to
interface with those types of people that have the need to physically prove
things before they can feel the truth of something, and we DO respect the need.
6) Our offer to find bibliographic reference for Joe Champion had nothing to
do with finding 'proof' of any of the laboratory reports on the validity of
EG / Isis WPG, but rather some reading material to substantiate what we
wrote in regards to Quantum Physics. We would never undertake any such
endeavor to prove or disprove someone else's laboratory work, we'll leave
that for the science types.
You see, it is really not the proving or disproving that we address, it is
the underlying attitude in the endeavor that we speak of. We know that those
involved are not consciously entering into the dynamics we have spoken of,
but as our work involves sensitivity to very subtle energy realms, we
experience 'consciousness energy' from other people that many times they are
not aware of. If you think it is a bunch of baloney then so be it, we can be
of no assistance. Perhaps all involved might just take a moment to consider
what we are saying though, turn it over, see if it feels like there is any
possibility of it's being true. If it is, then perhaps we have something to
offer along with your science.
7) We do not know of any other 'channels' who have met with an astronaut
with scientific credentials, and had their information validated by same.
This alone sets the source apart from much (not all) of what is present in
the New Age / Metaphysical / Channeling community. We will add a bit here
though to further clarify. First of all there was a friend of the astronaut
(cannot mention their names at their request, even if it means we lose some
degree of credence, we must honor their requests) who was a scientist that
was called in as a third party, and was asked whether he thought the
information Maia had was viable, and he said it was. Secondly we call the
process she works with 'source translation' rather than channeling as there
are some very basic differences. We generally use the term channeling to
avoid confusing the issue and to stay to our point, unless something
triggers the need to explain further. In source translation the translator
is not 'moved aside' to allow some other entity access to their faculties,
but rather there is a common meeting ground where an 'energy / information
packet' is delivered to the translator, who then must bring that essence
into our language system, sometimes across several culture frames. The
entity delivering the 'packet' will many times assist in the process,
sometimes selecting words directly to best convey the vibration. In
addition, we also know of no one who has, first, been translating for 28
years (which comprises her entire adult life), and second, who also has done
absolutely nothing else professionally in their entire life. Maia has not
interfaced at all with the normal working type situation in our society
(with the exception of 3 years working part time from home as a 'spiritual
counselor' via the phone after her mothers death). While this may have it's
drawbacks for her, it has also allowed her mind to stay focused in the
higher dimensions of reality thereby eliminating many of the programmed
patternings myself and many others deal with. Her seclusion from societal
responsibilities was physically due to illness much of her life (her mother
cared for her all those years and supported her in her work), but she now
sees the rapidly diminishing illness as a saving grace to her spiritual
work. It is these things in combination with the nature of the information
itself that sets her and the connection / information to / from Thoth apart
from much (not all) of the channeling community in our perception, and that
of many who have been exposed to the core of the information.
8) What we have to offer is a perspective from another dimension of reality.
We do not propose that it is all there is. We offer the only thing we have
to offer to those in the scientific community that would be willing to
consider it as containing a potential, whether they understand it fully or
not. Just as we accept the input of the scientific community whether we
fully understand it or not. We have not, and will not, take an oppositional
stance to anyone, whether we are perceived in that fashion or not depends on
the perceiver. The scientists have knowledge that is vitally important, and
positive test results are too. Again, it is the attitude in which this
search and those tests are conducted which we perceive can be evolved to a
new level. That is our input. If it does not feel right to you, or you do
not wish to veer from your chosen path for any reason, we still support you,
that simple.
God Bless you all for taking the time to read this, and for your efforts to
come to a place of truth each in your own way.
Simeon and Maia
Johannine Grove
Crest In The Stone Mystery School